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racingnut35



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:33 am    Post subject: The reason some dirt tracks suffer.... Reply with quote

is TOO MANY classes! I have been complaining about this for years. You have basically three late model classes that all look the exact same and two classes of street cars. When I first started going to dirt racing regularly thirty years ago there were four classes and thats it. Recently we went to a big dirt race and it was run as poorly as I have ever seen. I will not mention the track or the circumstances that caused it. They put WAAYY too much water on it and started too late. First feature race started at around 12:30 AM and they had intermission at 12:00 AM! We left after intermission as we had over a two hour drive to get home. Got home at 2:45 AM and spent all that money but didn't even stay to watch we paid for because we didn't want to get home at 4 in the morning. One of the reasons for this is because they ran 7 freakin classes of cars!! They had packed grandstands and most of the fans there came to watch the super lates. There were a lot of fans complaining about this so I'm not the only one.Some will say that social media is killiing tracks and to some extent that's true but it's also a way to vent because of the way some tracks are unwilling to listen to the very fans that are paying to come there and keep their track open. I have worked on race cars and have been involved in racing in both asphalt and dirt racing a large part of my 53 years on this earth so I know a little of what I'm talking about. There is another big dirt race coming up that we're planning on going to but they are running 6 classes of cars. This just absolutely ensures that it will be another long night of racing. If any promoters/owners want to see how to run a track then look no further than The Mag. Stokes knows how to run a show and yes they run too many classes on big events too but at least they know what they're doing.
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drmike



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

U are correct. I could not believe that I was witnessing a midnight intermission after starting over 2 hours late. They could have at least called an audible and run the supers first. You can't leave the fans in the stands all night and all morning and not think there is a problem. I was camping and still heard them running around 5 or 6 AM. Unreal.
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Captain Obvious



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was the worst time management I've ever witnessed. I unfortunately heard several fans say they wouldn't be back. Ben has an article on OneDirt the management of Greenville needs to read titled Racetrack Time Management Could Be The Death Of Our Sport.
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racingnut35



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And you can believe that I complained to the powers that be saturday night. That was not the first time I've seen this kind of thing at a race track. I do know that races almost always run a bit on the late side and I'm used to that as I've been to many many races but you cannot have a show that lasts way past midnight and expect fans to keep coming or worst yet never come back at all. I'm passionate about racing and I personally hate seeing these things happen over and over as it will eventually drive away diehard race fans and keep new ones from coming back. That's why I'm ranting right now. If I didn't care I wouldn't be on here complaining now. I will still stick to my guns over the number of classes too. Tracks need to let certain classes have a big race just for them a week or two earlier and have maybe three classes total for a big race weekend. We went to 411 speedway in tenn last year to see a WOo late model race and they have an 11 oclock curfew due to the subdivisions all around the track. Because of this they ran only three classes I believe plus they ran the 100 lap super race first in the event schedule. We were out of there at aound 9:30 or 10:00. Again, I don't have a problem with a race being finished at 12 myself but tracks need to consider that a lot of fans have a decent drive home to make. Also if a track has problems getting cars to come out and pack the track in then tell them if they don't pack then they don't race. Pretty simple.
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JoeDirt



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amen RacingNut! Preach it brother! I've also felt this way for years. This is the very reason I average only 8 to 10 races per year. Four of those nights are the Knoxville Nationals and I have to drive 12 hours for that. I'm primarily a sprint car fan, and I don't mind 2 or 3 support classes as sometimes they put on a good show too. I will not sit through 7 or 8 classes to watch 305 or even ASCS sprints.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read the article Ben wrote and it's spot on. I will also say that when a car spins and stalls out or when there is a wreck then a tow truck or four wheeler needs to be there like the safety safari does at a NHRA event. Those guys are there quick! I personally believe that when a race is going on that a towtruck driver needs to be sitting in his truck ready to go at any moments notice, or four wheeler used for pushing needs somebody sitting on it ready to go. How many times have I seen that when a tow truck comes over to put a car on the hook that it takes FOREVER just to put a hook on the car. It doesn't take that long. Also, track corner workers need tin shears in their back pockets to cut away torn sheetmetal. I have seen many times where they will be pulling and tugging at sheetmetal when all they have to do is cut it away. Folks these things are actually easy to fix and a lot of it is just plain ol common sense. If I were to be a track owner racers probably would like me about as much as Nick Saban because I would run a tight ship and wouldn't put up with a lot of this crap!
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drmike



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at the updated facebook page pic. Still racing at sunrise. Why on earth would they proudly post that??
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drmike wrote:
Look at the updated facebook page pic. Still racing at sunrise. Why on earth would they proudly post that??
who's facebook ?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greenville
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NeverTrustAMidget



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some constructive ideas. But the MAJOR problem with way too many tracks is that the management has what they call in stick and ball sports, a roll-out the ball attitude.

Too many tracks rely on word of mouth from their long term fans. There are just too many entertainment options available today to continue to rely on word of mouth for your advertising and promotional plan.

Here in the Memphis area, we have movies, bars, bowling, concerts, casinos, dog track, youth recreational sports, adults recreational sports. Then you have other professional sports such as Memphis Chicks and the new Memphis 901 FC. The new kid on the block has every match televised live on local TV and still draws right at 7,000 per match.

There is just too much competition for the entertainment dollar to rely on word of mouth. Pete is going full out for this week's USCS Show with radio spots on some of the top stations. There are electronic billboards that you can advertise on for the cost of a couple of pit passes each week.

Track owners must actively advertise in today's electronic instant gratification society.

What really makes it worse is that racing programs give a much better bang for your buck than most of these other alternatives. Admission prices are lower, concessions are lower but the general community does not get this information. For example the LOWEST available ticket for the 901 FC game this Saturday. Which is a normal regular-season game is $49.00. A family of 4 will end up spending $200 just for tickets for a regular night. Compare that to the regular program at the ditch. A family of four over the age of 11 can all attend for less than the price of a single 901 FC ticket. Even with a special event this weekend the family of 4 only spends half of what they spend on tickets for the 901 FC regular-season game. That is before we talk concession prices.

We are talking about 3-4 hours of action-filled family entertainment for less than you pay for 1.5-2 hours elsewhere in the city.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drmike wrote:
Greenville


What the....You went to Greenville instead of STN where they were only running 1 class??? Shocked Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

watchemgofast wrote:
drmike wrote:
Greenville


What the....You went to Greenville instead of STN where they were only running 1 class??? Shocked Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


Yup, we both know that race is nothing to brag about anymore either. It used to be my absolute favorite race of the year with 3 days of racing, bigger purse and 410 guys showing up. Now its just additional travel time and money spent to watch ascs and not really worth it. I will likely choose neither and watch football in my man cave next year I guess.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

drmike wrote:
watchemgofast wrote:
drmike wrote:
Greenville


What the....You went to Greenville instead of STN where they were only running 1 class??? Shocked Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


Yup, we both know that race is nothing to brag about anymore either. It used to be my absolute favorite race of the year with 3 days of racing, bigger purse and 410 guys showing up. Now its just additional travel time and money spent to watch ascs and not really worth it. I will likely choose neither and watch football in my man cave next year I guess.


I certainly get it man..I haven't been to STN since 2015 but I've pretty much been bitter at I-30 since the 2012 golf cart crash incident & how the rent-a-cops were allowed to throw me out for the whole weekend when I was just a passenger Shocked Shocked Shocked and yeah I had bought the 3 day pass

I'm headed to TMS for the ASCS finale & NASCAR in a few weeks
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't mean to get off topic....

I think nothing but 4 classes MAX..some tracks are getting way too many types of late models and/or street stocks

but maybe Pete can add to this thread..he runs timely racing contests with just a few classes per night Rolling Eyes
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3 wide



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I agree with what you have said but it's worse were I live try 8 to 10 classes and when they run a big super race they want to add money to all the lower classes so not only do you have 8 classes you have more cars in every class it's a nightmare sitting at a race track 8 hrs the promoter don't realize it takes all the fun out of it.
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