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mudslinger47



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So I looked this up, I could only find it referenced in CNN, Democrat Underground and NYT.... I doubt its true.... got any real sources?


11 American hostages were released during Obama's years. I don't recall you coming on here and celebrating each time this happened? Why not?



What I'm saying you flipping dim wit is I can't find a credible source that acknowledges it.... I stated, I can't find a credible source the last time... You are stuck on stupid...
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudslinger47 wrote:
PV=nRT wrote:
mudslinger47 wrote:
So I looked this up, I could only find it referenced in CNN, Democrat Underground and NYT.... I doubt its true.... got any real sources?


11 American hostages were released during Obama's years. I don't recall you coming on here and celebrating each time this happened? Why not?



What I'm saying you flipping dim wit is I can't find a credible source that acknowledges it.... I stated, I can't find a credible source the last time... You are stuck on stupid...


Here's the first 2 on the list. Pretty funny that you've had to resort to "can't find credible source". Lol.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/04/mission-accomplished-clinton-leaves-north-korea-pardoned-journalists.amp.html
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How's Donnie handling those five American hostages in Iran? He's pretty much condemned them to staying there thanks to his own foolishness and lack of foreign policy.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamieHall wrote:
How's Donnie handling those five American hostages in Iran? He's pretty much condemned them to staying there thanks to his own foolishness and lack of foreign policy.


You mean unlike Obama, who traded billions in cash and known terrorists to these same countries whom the state department has advised against going into?
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You mean unlike Obama, who traded billions in cash and known terrorists to these same countries whom the state department has advised against going into?


Not true, and it's been reported multiple times that it's not true.

The US owed $400 million to Iran (not billions, as you said) because of a 40-year dispute over frozen Iranian assets in the US. The matter was headed to an international court soon, which would have ruled in Iran's favor and also would have added about $10 billion in added interest and penalties that the US would have to pay.

So the US would've been forced to give Iran the money regardless of whether the hostages were released. The hostage release was more a showing of good faith on Iran's part, possibly as a gesture to the US for signing onto the Iran nuke deal with US allies.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamieHall wrote:
tilley88 wrote:
You mean unlike Obama, who traded billions in cash and known terrorists to these same countries whom the state department has advised against going into?


Not true, and it's been reported multiple times that it's not true.

The US owed $400 million to Iran (not billions, as you said) because of a 40-year dispute over frozen Iranian assets in the US. The matter was headed to an international court soon, which would have ruled in Iran's favor and also would have added about $10 billion in added interest and penalties that the US would have to pay.

So the US would've been forced to give Iran the money regardless of whether the hostages were released. The hostage release was more a showing of good faith on Iran's part, possibly as a gesture to the US for signing onto the Iran nuke deal with US allies.


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/world/middleeast/iran-us-cash-payment-prisoners.html

https://ijr.com/2016/08/666839-obama-denies-400-million-cash-sent-to-iran-for-hostages-but-u-s-captive-has-damning-response/

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/08/iran-ransom-payment-proves-obama-clinton-iran-deal-fraud/

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/06/02/analysis-on-iran-state-department-caught-in-lie-about-lying-prompting-new-lie-n2172354

https://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/05/iran-saw-the-400-million-cash-payment-as-ransom/
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impossible to explain anything to a liberal, whether you have back up or not... It means nothing if they "think" we own it to them, they are an enemy, screw them...JMO
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudslinger47 wrote:
, ....they are an enemy,...


It's amazing what years of circle jerking in the echo chamber can do to someone. Sad.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PV=nRT wrote:
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, ....they are an enemy,...


It's amazing what years of circle jerking in the echo chamber can do to someone. Sad.


You would know....
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dollars returned to the Iranians included not one cent of American money. It only included Iranian money that had been frozen and held in American banks for some time. Any which way it went, the Iranian money would be returned to them at some point. We may argue about the timing of the return but there is no doubt about who actually owned the money.

And the investigations continue,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tilley88 wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/world/middleeast/iran-us-cash-payment-prisoners.html

https://ijr.com/2016/08/666839-obama-denies-400-million-cash-sent-to-iran-for-hostages-but-u-s-captive-has-damning-response/

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/08/iran-ransom-payment-proves-obama-clinton-iran-deal-fraud/

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/06/02/analysis-on-iran-state-department-caught-in-lie-about-lying-prompting-new-lie-n2172354

https://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/05/iran-saw-the-400-million-cash-payment-as-ransom/


The one thing that proves that I wasn't aware of is that the US used Iran's own money as leverage to get prisoners freed. But if the US owed that money to Iran anyway, why not keep it and use it as a bargaining tool?

Kinda seems Obama was probably a better deal-maker than ol' Donnie is turning out to be.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamieHall wrote:
tilley88 wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/world/middleeast/iran-us-cash-payment-prisoners.html

https://ijr.com/2016/08/666839-obama-denies-400-million-cash-sent-to-iran-for-hostages-but-u-s-captive-has-damning-response/

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/08/iran-ransom-payment-proves-obama-clinton-iran-deal-fraud/

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/06/02/analysis-on-iran-state-department-caught-in-lie-about-lying-prompting-new-lie-n2172354

https://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/05/iran-saw-the-400-million-cash-payment-as-ransom/


The one thing that proves that I wasn't aware of is that the US used Iran's own money as leverage to get prisoners freed. But if the US owed that money to Iran anyway, why not keep it and use it as a bargaining tool?

Kinda seems Obama was probably a better deal-maker than ol' Donnie is turning out to be.


You mean better as in swapping known terrorists for a known deserter?
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tilley88 wrote:
PV=nRT wrote:
mudslinger47 wrote:
So I looked this up, I could only find it referenced in CNN, Democrat Underground and NYT.... I doubt its true.... got any real sources?


11 American hostages were released during Obama's years. I don't recall you coming on here and celebrating each time this happened? Why not?


Didnít Martinez defect to NK?


Not only defected but also did a propaganda video for NK.
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To hear some of you circle jerking pukes, you would have others believing that Senator John McCain had made propaganda films for the NVA. The aftermath of the election of 2008 will never go away or die. I've never been so sick of the lies and hate then and I'll never forget it. But I was forewarned. I left the repub party in 1992 purely because of the evil intents and hateful everything that they were displaying at that time. Even though there remains many repubs that I like and respect very much I just don't think I could ever pull the lever for any of them again. Just like having cancelled my life membership with the NRA, I desire nothing more from any of those insane organizations.

And the investigations continue,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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