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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:29 pm    Post subject: Is the tide aturnin???? Reply with quote

Most likely not. BUT!!

While no one is suggesting that NASCAR is close to losing their position as King of The Hill in US racing.

But it is interesting to notice that so far outside of Daytona EVERY race has had a short filed.

At the same time series such as IMSA and Indy Car are adding teams and cars.

This weekend Indy Car has added four new teams and will have 24 cars for their season opener. IMSA had several news DPi cars at the 500. Many of the new teams are part time and some are full time.


VERIZON INDYCAR SERIES
FIRESTONE GRAND PRIX OF ST. PETERSBURG
Streets of St. Petersburg, Florida
March 11, 2018

1 1 Josef Newgarden Nashville, Tennessee Hitachi Team Penske Chevrolet Team Penske

2 4 Matheus "Matt" Leist (R) Novo Hamburgo, Brazil ABC Supply AJ Foyt Racing Chevrolet A.J. Foyt Enterprises

3 5 James Hinchcliffe Toronto, Canada Arrow Electronics SPM Honda Schmidt Peterson Motorsports

4 6 Robert Wickens (R) Guelph, Canada Lucas Oil SPM Honda Schmidt Peterson Motorsports

5 9 Scott Dixon Auckland, New Zealand PNC Bank Chip Ganassi Racing Honda Chip Ganassi Racing

6 10 Ed Jones Dubai, United Arab Emirates NTT Data Chip Ganassi Racing Honda Chip Ganassi Racing

7 12 Will Power Toowoomba, Australia Verizon Team Penske Chevrolet Team Penske

8 14 Tony Kanaan Salvador, Brazil ABC Supply AJ Foyt Racing Chevrolet A.J. Foyt Enterprises

9 15 Graham Rahal New Albany, Ohio United Rentals Honda Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing

10 18 Sebastien Bourdais Le Mans, France Team Sealmaster Honda Dale Coyne Racing with Vasser-Sullivan

11 19 Zachary Claman De Melo (R) Montreal, Canada The Paysafe Car Honda Dale Coyne Racing

12 20 Jordan King (R) Warwick, England Ed Carpenter Racing Fuzzy's Vodka Chevrolet Ed Carpenter Racing

13 21 Spencer Pigot Orlando, Florida Autogeek Chevrolet Ed Carpenter Racing

14 22 Simon Pagenaud Montmorillon, France Menards Team Penske Chevrolet Team Penske

15 23 Charlie Kimball Camarillo, California Tresiba Chevrolet Carlin

16 26 Zach Veach (R) Stockdale, Ohio Group One Thousand One Honda Andretti Autosport

17 27 Alexander Rossi Nevada City, California NAPA AUTO PARTS Honda Andretti Autosport

18 28 Ryan Hunter-Reay Fort Lauderdale, Florida DHL Honda Andretti Autosport

19 30 Takuma Sato Tokyo, Japan Panasonic Honda Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing

20 32 Rene Binder (R) Fügen, Austria Binderholz tiptop timber Chevrolet Juncos Racing

21 59 Max Chilton Reigate, England Gallagher Chevrolet Carlin

22 60 Jack Harvey (R) Lincoln, England AutoNation/SiriusXM MSR w/SPM Honda Michael Shank Racing with Schmidt Peterson

23 88 Gabby Chaves Bogota, Colombia Harding Group Chevrolet Harding Racing

24 98 Marco Andretti Nazareth, Pennsylvania Ruoff Home Mortgage / Curb Honda Andretti Herta Autosport with Curb-Agajanian
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Midget. This tide may be true in some regards, but you seem to forget, or miss, or ignore, that the NHRA has been #2 behind Nascar for years. Markets hit, participation, TV, print, internet, live streaming, crowds and "interest." For a race fan, and respectfully a guy that researches stuff, it is surprising you miss this. The sell out at Phoenix and the resultant ink, coverage from that race was outstanding. Just sayin and no dissin' at you. But the big picture needs some lookin' into.



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the tide aturnin???? Reply with quote

NeverTrustAMidget wrote:
Most likely not. BUT!!

While no one is suggesting that NASCAR is close to losing their position as King of The Hill in US racing.

But it is interesting to notice that so far outside of Daytona EVERY race has had a short filed.

At the same time series such as IMSA and Indy Car are adding teams and cars.

This weekend Indy Car has added four new teams and will have 24 cars for their season opener. IMSA had several news DPi cars at the 500. Many of the new teams are part time and some are full time.


VERIZON INDYCAR SERIES
FIRESTONE GRAND PRIX OF ST. PETERSBURG
Streets of St. Petersburg, Florida
March 11, 2018

1 1 Josef Newgarden Nashville, Tennessee Hitachi Team Penske Chevrolet Team Penske

2 4 Matheus "Matt" Leist (R) Novo Hamburgo, Brazil ABC Supply AJ Foyt Racing Chevrolet A.J. Foyt Enterprises

3 5 James Hinchcliffe Toronto, Canada Arrow Electronics SPM Honda Schmidt Peterson Motorsports

4 6 Robert Wickens (R) Guelph, Canada Lucas Oil SPM Honda Schmidt Peterson Motorsports

5 9 Scott Dixon Auckland, New Zealand PNC Bank Chip Ganassi Racing Honda Chip Ganassi Racing

6 10 Ed Jones Dubai, United Arab Emirates NTT Data Chip Ganassi Racing Honda Chip Ganassi Racing

7 12 Will Power Toowoomba, Australia Verizon Team Penske Chevrolet Team Penske

8 14 Tony Kanaan Salvador, Brazil ABC Supply AJ Foyt Racing Chevrolet A.J. Foyt Enterprises

9 15 Graham Rahal New Albany, Ohio United Rentals Honda Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing

10 18 Sebastien Bourdais Le Mans, France Team Sealmaster Honda Dale Coyne Racing with Vasser-Sullivan

11 19 Zachary Claman De Melo (R) Montreal, Canada The Paysafe Car Honda Dale Coyne Racing

12 20 Jordan King (R) Warwick, England Ed Carpenter Racing Fuzzy's Vodka Chevrolet Ed Carpenter Racing

13 21 Spencer Pigot Orlando, Florida Autogeek Chevrolet Ed Carpenter Racing

14 22 Simon Pagenaud Montmorillon, France Menards Team Penske Chevrolet Team Penske

15 23 Charlie Kimball Camarillo, California Tresiba Chevrolet Carlin

16 26 Zach Veach (R) Stockdale, Ohio Group One Thousand One Honda Andretti Autosport

17 27 Alexander Rossi Nevada City, California NAPA AUTO PARTS Honda Andretti Autosport

18 28 Ryan Hunter-Reay Fort Lauderdale, Florida DHL Honda Andretti Autosport

19 30 Takuma Sato Tokyo, Japan Panasonic Honda Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing

20 32 Rene Binder (R) Fügen, Austria Binderholz tiptop timber Chevrolet Juncos Racing

21 59 Max Chilton Reigate, England Gallagher Chevrolet Carlin

22 60 Jack Harvey (R) Lincoln, England AutoNation/SiriusXM MSR w/SPM Honda Michael Shank Racing with Schmidt Peterson

23 88 Gabby Chaves Bogota, Colombia Harding Group Chevrolet Harding Racing

24 98 Marco Andretti Nazareth, Pennsylvania Ruoff Home Mortgage / Curb Honda Andretti Herta Autosport with Curb-Agajanian


Fidget doesn't miss a beat when it comes to complaining. It is what he does best.

Indy has 24 cars? I wouldn't get too excited.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Late_Model_Mark wrote:
Midget. This tide may be true in some regards, but you seem to forget, or miss, or ignore, that the NHRA has been #2 behind Nascar for years. Markets hit, participation, TV, print, internet, live streaming, crowds and "interest." For a race fan, and respectfully a guy that researches stuff, it is surprising you miss this. The sell out at Phoenix and the resultant ink, coverage from that race was outstanding. Just sayin and no dissin' at you. But the big picture needs some lookin' into.



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I read just today that according to SEC filings from the companies which own the tracks that ticket revenue was down for 2016 from 2015 and again in 2017. Most tracks have reduced capacity significantly. So it is easier to get sellouts for that reason. They have dropped from their high water mark but are still head and shoulder above any other series.

https://racingnews.co/2018/03/08/nascar-attendance-down-race-track-revenue-numbers/

None of these series will surpass NASCAR because none of them have ever been where NASCAR is now much less where they were at their high water mark. (although the final numbers for Vegas on Fox was a 2.9 rating. Another all time low)


http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2018/03/nascar-ratings-las-vegas-record-low/
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:41 am    Post subject: Re: Is the tide aturnin???? Reply with quote

Oldfart wrote:
NeverTrustAMidget wrote:
Most likely not. BUT!!

While no one is suggesting that NASCAR is close to losing their position as King of The Hill in US racing.

But it is interesting to notice that so far outside of Daytona EVERY race has had a short filed.

At the same time series such as IMSA and Indy Car are adding teams and cars.

This weekend Indy Car has added four new teams and will have 24 cars for their season opener. IMSA had several news DPi cars at the 500. Many of the new teams are part time and some are full time.


VERIZON INDYCAR SERIES
FIRESTONE GRAND PRIX OF ST. PETERSBURG
Streets of St. Petersburg, Florida
March 11, 2018

1 1 Josef Newgarden Nashville, Tennessee Hitachi Team Penske Chevrolet Team Penske

2 4 Matheus "Matt" Leist (R) Novo Hamburgo, Brazil ABC Supply AJ Foyt Racing Chevrolet A.J. Foyt Enterprises

3 5 James Hinchcliffe Toronto, Canada Arrow Electronics SPM Honda Schmidt Peterson Motorsports

4 6 Robert Wickens (R) Guelph, Canada Lucas Oil SPM Honda Schmidt Peterson Motorsports

5 9 Scott Dixon Auckland, New Zealand PNC Bank Chip Ganassi Racing Honda Chip Ganassi Racing

6 10 Ed Jones Dubai, United Arab Emirates NTT Data Chip Ganassi Racing Honda Chip Ganassi Racing

7 12 Will Power Toowoomba, Australia Verizon Team Penske Chevrolet Team Penske

8 14 Tony Kanaan Salvador, Brazil ABC Supply AJ Foyt Racing Chevrolet A.J. Foyt Enterprises

9 15 Graham Rahal New Albany, Ohio United Rentals Honda Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing

10 18 Sebastien Bourdais Le Mans, France Team Sealmaster Honda Dale Coyne Racing with Vasser-Sullivan

11 19 Zachary Claman De Melo (R) Montreal, Canada The Paysafe Car Honda Dale Coyne Racing

12 20 Jordan King (R) Warwick, England Ed Carpenter Racing Fuzzy's Vodka Chevrolet Ed Carpenter Racing

13 21 Spencer Pigot Orlando, Florida Autogeek Chevrolet Ed Carpenter Racing

14 22 Simon Pagenaud Montmorillon, France Menards Team Penske Chevrolet Team Penske

15 23 Charlie Kimball Camarillo, California Tresiba Chevrolet Carlin

16 26 Zach Veach (R) Stockdale, Ohio Group One Thousand One Honda Andretti Autosport

17 27 Alexander Rossi Nevada City, California NAPA AUTO PARTS Honda Andretti Autosport

18 28 Ryan Hunter-Reay Fort Lauderdale, Florida DHL Honda Andretti Autosport

19 30 Takuma Sato Tokyo, Japan Panasonic Honda Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing

20 32 Rene Binder (R) Fügen, Austria Binderholz tiptop timber Chevrolet Juncos Racing

21 59 Max Chilton Reigate, England Gallagher Chevrolet Carlin

22 60 Jack Harvey (R) Lincoln, England AutoNation/SiriusXM MSR w/SPM Honda Michael Shank Racing with Schmidt Peterson

23 88 Gabby Chaves Bogota, Colombia Harding Group Chevrolet Harding Racing

24 98 Marco Andretti Nazareth, Pennsylvania Ruoff Home Mortgage / Curb Honda Andretti Herta Autosport with Curb-Agajanian


Fidget doesn't miss a beat when it comes to complaining. It is what he does best.

Indy has 24 cars? I wouldn't get too excited.


If you knew your arse from a hole in the ground, which you usually do not. Then you would know the average field for Indy Car outside of the 500 is 21-22 cars. They have 24 for the season opener and are looking at between 25-26 for other non 500 events. So depending on which events the part time teams choose to attend there could be between a 10%-25% increase in car counts.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Is the tide aturnin???? Reply with quote

NeverTrustAMidget wrote:
Oldfart wrote:
NeverTrustAMidget wrote:
Most likely not. BUT!!

While no one is suggesting that NASCAR is close to losing their position as King of The Hill in US racing.

But it is interesting to notice that so far outside of Daytona EVERY race has had a short filed.

At the same time series such as IMSA and Indy Car are adding teams and cars.

This weekend Indy Car has added four new teams and will have 24 cars for their season opener. IMSA had several news DPi cars at the 500. Many of the new teams are part time and some are full time.


VERIZON INDYCAR SERIES
FIRESTONE GRAND PRIX OF ST. PETERSBURG
Streets of St. Petersburg, Florida
March 11, 2018

1 1 Josef Newgarden Nashville, Tennessee Hitachi Team Penske Chevrolet Team Penske

2 4 Matheus "Matt" Leist (R) Novo Hamburgo, Brazil ABC Supply AJ Foyt Racing Chevrolet A.J. Foyt Enterprises

3 5 James Hinchcliffe Toronto, Canada Arrow Electronics SPM Honda Schmidt Peterson Motorsports

4 6 Robert Wickens (R) Guelph, Canada Lucas Oil SPM Honda Schmidt Peterson Motorsports

5 9 Scott Dixon Auckland, New Zealand PNC Bank Chip Ganassi Racing Honda Chip Ganassi Racing

6 10 Ed Jones Dubai, United Arab Emirates NTT Data Chip Ganassi Racing Honda Chip Ganassi Racing

7 12 Will Power Toowoomba, Australia Verizon Team Penske Chevrolet Team Penske

8 14 Tony Kanaan Salvador, Brazil ABC Supply AJ Foyt Racing Chevrolet A.J. Foyt Enterprises

9 15 Graham Rahal New Albany, Ohio United Rentals Honda Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing

10 18 Sebastien Bourdais Le Mans, France Team Sealmaster Honda Dale Coyne Racing with Vasser-Sullivan

11 19 Zachary Claman De Melo (R) Montreal, Canada The Paysafe Car Honda Dale Coyne Racing

12 20 Jordan King (R) Warwick, England Ed Carpenter Racing Fuzzy's Vodka Chevrolet Ed Carpenter Racing

13 21 Spencer Pigot Orlando, Florida Autogeek Chevrolet Ed Carpenter Racing

14 22 Simon Pagenaud Montmorillon, France Menards Team Penske Chevrolet Team Penske

15 23 Charlie Kimball Camarillo, California Tresiba Chevrolet Carlin

16 26 Zach Veach (R) Stockdale, Ohio Group One Thousand One Honda Andretti Autosport

17 27 Alexander Rossi Nevada City, California NAPA AUTO PARTS Honda Andretti Autosport

18 28 Ryan Hunter-Reay Fort Lauderdale, Florida DHL Honda Andretti Autosport

19 30 Takuma Sato Tokyo, Japan Panasonic Honda Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing

20 32 Rene Binder (R) Fügen, Austria Binderholz tiptop timber Chevrolet Juncos Racing

21 59 Max Chilton Reigate, England Gallagher Chevrolet Carlin

22 60 Jack Harvey (R) Lincoln, England AutoNation/SiriusXM MSR w/SPM Honda Michael Shank Racing with Schmidt Peterson

23 88 Gabby Chaves Bogota, Colombia Harding Group Chevrolet Harding Racing

24 98 Marco Andretti Nazareth, Pennsylvania Ruoff Home Mortgage / Curb Honda Andretti Herta Autosport with Curb-Agajanian


Fidget doesn't miss a beat when it comes to complaining. It is what he does best.

Indy has 24 cars? I wouldn't get too excited.


If you knew your arse from a hole in the ground, which you usually do not. Then you would know the average field for Indy Car outside of the 500 is 21-22 cars. They have 24 for the season opener and are looking at between 25-26 for other non 500 events. So depending on which events the part time teams choose to attend there could be between a 10%-25% increase in car counts.


Still doesn't impress me. 20, 24. Not that big of deal. I will take a 36 car NASCAR race any day over a 24 car Indy race. Either way, you will still be complaining about something. It's all you do. Maybe you should try therapy or maybe actually get off the couch and do something every once in a while. Being bitter from the time you wake till the time you sleep isn't healthy.

Did you ever decide it wasn't a good idea for NASCAR to run Vegas and then go east like you thought. Staying west for 3 races works best.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the tide aturnin???? Reply with quote

Oldfart wrote:
NeverTrustAMidget wrote:
Oldfart wrote:
NeverTrustAMidget wrote:
Most likely not. BUT!!

While no one is suggesting that NASCAR is close to losing their position as King of The Hill in US racing.

But it is interesting to notice that so far outside of Daytona EVERY race has had a short filed.

At the same time series such as IMSA and Indy Car are adding teams and cars.

This weekend Indy Car has added four new teams and will have 24 cars for their season opener. IMSA had several news DPi cars at the 500. Many of the new teams are part time and some are full time.


VERIZON INDYCAR SERIES
FIRESTONE GRAND PRIX OF ST. PETERSBURG
Streets of St. Petersburg, Florida
March 11, 2018

1 1 Josef Newgarden Nashville, Tennessee Hitachi Team Penske Chevrolet Team Penske

2 4 Matheus "Matt" Leist (R) Novo Hamburgo, Brazil ABC Supply AJ Foyt Racing Chevrolet A.J. Foyt Enterprises

3 5 James Hinchcliffe Toronto, Canada Arrow Electronics SPM Honda Schmidt Peterson Motorsports

4 6 Robert Wickens (R) Guelph, Canada Lucas Oil SPM Honda Schmidt Peterson Motorsports

5 9 Scott Dixon Auckland, New Zealand PNC Bank Chip Ganassi Racing Honda Chip Ganassi Racing

6 10 Ed Jones Dubai, United Arab Emirates NTT Data Chip Ganassi Racing Honda Chip Ganassi Racing

7 12 Will Power Toowoomba, Australia Verizon Team Penske Chevrolet Team Penske

8 14 Tony Kanaan Salvador, Brazil ABC Supply AJ Foyt Racing Chevrolet A.J. Foyt Enterprises

9 15 Graham Rahal New Albany, Ohio United Rentals Honda Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing

10 18 Sebastien Bourdais Le Mans, France Team Sealmaster Honda Dale Coyne Racing with Vasser-Sullivan

11 19 Zachary Claman De Melo (R) Montreal, Canada The Paysafe Car Honda Dale Coyne Racing

12 20 Jordan King (R) Warwick, England Ed Carpenter Racing Fuzzy's Vodka Chevrolet Ed Carpenter Racing

13 21 Spencer Pigot Orlando, Florida Autogeek Chevrolet Ed Carpenter Racing

14 22 Simon Pagenaud Montmorillon, France Menards Team Penske Chevrolet Team Penske

15 23 Charlie Kimball Camarillo, California Tresiba Chevrolet Carlin

16 26 Zach Veach (R) Stockdale, Ohio Group One Thousand One Honda Andretti Autosport

17 27 Alexander Rossi Nevada City, California NAPA AUTO PARTS Honda Andretti Autosport

18 28 Ryan Hunter-Reay Fort Lauderdale, Florida DHL Honda Andretti Autosport

19 30 Takuma Sato Tokyo, Japan Panasonic Honda Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing

20 32 Rene Binder (R) Fügen, Austria Binderholz tiptop timber Chevrolet Juncos Racing

21 59 Max Chilton Reigate, England Gallagher Chevrolet Carlin

22 60 Jack Harvey (R) Lincoln, England AutoNation/SiriusXM MSR w/SPM Honda Michael Shank Racing with Schmidt Peterson

23 88 Gabby Chaves Bogota, Colombia Harding Group Chevrolet Harding Racing

24 98 Marco Andretti Nazareth, Pennsylvania Ruoff Home Mortgage / Curb Honda Andretti Herta Autosport with Curb-Agajanian


Fidget doesn't miss a beat when it comes to complaining. It is what he does best.

Indy has 24 cars? I wouldn't get too excited.


If you knew your arse from a hole in the ground, which you usually do not. Then you would know the average field for Indy Car outside of the 500 is 21-22 cars. They have 24 for the season opener and are looking at between 25-26 for other non 500 events. So depending on which events the part time teams choose to attend there could be between a 10%-25% increase in car counts.


Still doesn't impress me. 20, 24. Not that big of deal. I will take a 36 car NASCAR race any day over a 24 car Indy race. Either way, you will still be complaint about something. It's all you do. Maybe you should try therapy or maybe actually get off the couch and do something every once in a while. Being bitter from the time you wake till the time you sleep isn't healthy.

Did you ever decide it wasn't a good idea for NASCAR to run Vegas and then go east like you thought. Staying west for 3 races works best.



Typical for you as usual change what was actually said to what you wanted to hear in order to make it seem as if you know something.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just sayin' and just for the record Midge, the NHRA national event trail does not, has not, nor ever will reduce seating for it's events. I would guess you have never been to a national event, maybe I am in error, I sir have over 150 NHRA national events under my belt. Still to this day my fav type of racing. Been to 19 different national event tracks just on the NHRA side, not counting AHRA or IHRA.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just sayin' and just for the record Midge, the NHRA national event trail does not, has not, nor ever will reduce seating for it's events. I would guess you have never been to a national event, maybe I am in error, I sir have over 150 NHRA national events under my belt. Still to this day my fav type of racing. Been to 19 different national event tracks just on the NHRA side, not counting AHRA or IHRA.


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They aren't reducing seating but with the exception of a couple of events, their tickets sales are dropping fast. Midget is always complaining about Nascar's leadership, NHRA is in a big mess. Compton is retiring and should have gone years ago.

I will be in St Louis next weekend for the AMA Supercross. That just might be the only form of racing that hasn't seen declining ticket sales. They still pack the arenas and put on an excellent show.
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Internal combustion racing crowd participation has been falling for a few decades now. Why? I've got my ideas and perhaps you have yours. Where are the promotions that are designed to increase audience levels? I rarely see anything much that might be conducive to broaden the interest levels for racing in general. As long as the racing promoters don't reach out for audiences that they don't already have I suspect their audiences will continue to lessen. That said, like the OldFart, I continue to speak positively every time I get about racing in general. And the OldFart is correct about the midge. To listen to the midge and his gloom and doom forecasts and commentary anyone might get the idea that racing is all for naught and getting more so in every move they make. I just can't accept that.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Internal combustion racing crowd participation has been falling for a few decades now. Why? I've got my ideas and perhaps you have yours. Where are the promotions that are designed to increase audience levels? I rarely see anything much that might be conducive to broaden the interest levels for racing in general. As long as the racing promoters don't reach out for audiences that they don't already have I suspect their audiences will continue to lessen. That said, like the OldFart, I continue to speak positively every time I get about racing in general. And the OldFart is correct about the midge. To listen to the midge and his gloom and doom forecasts and commentary anyone might get the idea that racing is all for naught and getting more so in every move they make. I just can't accept that.


I just describe the situation, it is up to you to consider it positive or negative. Last time i looked Indy Car having the largest car count they have had in over 20 is not a negative.

As far as you're always being positive. You are one of the few people on line anywhere who had a negative comment about Billy Graham. One really has to go in order to find anything negative to say about that man.

Anyone who visits the General Discussion board would laugh their arse off by your claim of always being positive.
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Lots of new blood in series. Three of top four qualifiers are series rookies. Pole winner came from British Touring Cars. BTCC has some dang good racing and they are not afraid to beat and bang in their races. Reminds of how the Continental Tire Series used to be before IMSA screwed it up.

Event: Firestone Grand Prix of St Petersburg Round 1

Track: St Petersburg Street Circuit 1.8 mile(s)

Report: Unofficial Results of Session Verizon IndyCar Series

Session: Qualifications March 10, 2018

Rank Car Driver Name C/E/T Time Speed Session

1 6 Wickens, Robert (R) D/H/F 01:01.6643 105.085 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
2 12 Power, Will D/C/F 01:01.7346 104.965 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
3 4 Leist, Matheus (R) D/C/F 01:01.7631 104.917 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
4 20 King, Jordan (R) D/C/F 01:01.7633 104.917 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
5 30 Sato, Takuma D/H/F 01:01.8821 104.715 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
6 28 Hunter-Reay, Ryan D/H/F 01:02.0385 104.451 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
7 5 Hinchcliffe, James D/H/F 01:00.9986 106.232 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
8 88 Chaves, Gabby D/C/F 01:01.1191 106.023 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
9 9 Dixon, Scott D/H/F 01:01.6527 105.105 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
10 14 Kanaan, Tony D/C/F 01:01.7213 104.988 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
11 22 Pagenaud, Simon D/C/F 01:04.6739 100.195 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
12 27 Rossi, Alexander D/H/F 01:07.0377 96.662 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
13 1 Newgarden, Josef D/C/F 01:00.4320 107.228 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
14 18 Bourdais, Sebastien D/H/F 01:00.9587 106.301 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
15 26 Veach, Zach (R) D/H/F 01:00.4585 107.181 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
16 21 Pigot, Spencer D/C/F 01:00.9668 106.287 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
17 10 Jones, Ed D/H/F 01:00.5009 107.106 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
18 98 Andretti, Marco D/H/F 01:01.3013 105.707 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
19 60 Harvey, Jack (R) D/H/F 01:01.0270 106.183 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
20 59 Chilton, Max D/C/F 01:01.3360 105.648 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
21 23 Kimball, Charlie D/C/F 01:01.1868 105.905 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
22 19 Claman De Melo, Zachary D/H/F 01:01.8567 104.758 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
(R)
23 32 Binder, Rene (R) D/C/F 01:01.7003 105.024 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
24 15 Rahal, Graham D/H/F 01:04.0990 101.094 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2

(R) Rookie

Pursuant to Rule 8.3.5, Car 15 -- best 2 lap times were disallowed in this session. Pursuant to Rule 8.3.6.1, Car 98 -- best 2
lap times were disallowed in this session. Pursuant to Rule 8.3.5, Car 22 -- best 2 lap times were disallowed in this session.
Pursuant to Rule 8.3.6.1, Car 27 -- best 2 lap times were disallowed in this session.

(C)hassis: D=Dallara | (E)ngine: C=Chevy, H=Honda | (T)ire: F=Firestone

Information provided by Indy Racing Information System - Copyright INDYCAR 2018
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lots of new blood in series. Three of top four qualifiers are series rookies. Pole winner came from British Touring Cars. BTCC has some dang good racing and they are not afraid to beat and bang in their races. Reminds of how the Continental Tire Series used to be before IMSA screwed it up.

Event: Firestone Grand Prix of St Petersburg Round 1

Track: St Petersburg Street Circuit 1.8 mile(s)

Report: Unofficial Results of Session Verizon IndyCar Series

Session: Qualifications March 10, 2018

Rank Car Driver Name C/E/T Time Speed Session

1 6 Wickens, Robert (R) D/H/F 01:01.6643 105.085 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
2 12 Power, Will D/C/F 01:01.7346 104.965 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
3 4 Leist, Matheus (R) D/C/F 01:01.7631 104.917 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
4 20 King, Jordan (R) D/C/F 01:01.7633 104.917 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
5 30 Sato, Takuma D/H/F 01:01.8821 104.715 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
6 28 Hunter-Reay, Ryan D/H/F 01:02.0385 104.451 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
7 5 Hinchcliffe, James D/H/F 01:00.9986 106.232 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
8 88 Chaves, Gabby D/C/F 01:01.1191 106.023 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
9 9 Dixon, Scott D/H/F 01:01.6527 105.105 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
10 14 Kanaan, Tony D/C/F 01:01.7213 104.988 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
11 22 Pagenaud, Simon D/C/F 01:04.6739 100.195 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
12 27 Rossi, Alexander D/H/F 01:07.0377 96.662 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
13 1 Newgarden, Josef D/C/F 01:00.4320 107.228 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
14 18 Bourdais, Sebastien D/H/F 01:00.9587 106.301 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
15 26 Veach, Zach (R) D/H/F 01:00.4585 107.181 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
16 21 Pigot, Spencer D/C/F 01:00.9668 106.287 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
17 10 Jones, Ed D/H/F 01:00.5009 107.106 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
18 98 Andretti, Marco D/H/F 01:01.3013 105.707 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
19 60 Harvey, Jack (R) D/H/F 01:01.0270 106.183 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
20 59 Chilton, Max D/C/F 01:01.3360 105.648 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
21 23 Kimball, Charlie D/C/F 01:01.1868 105.905 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
22 19 Claman De Melo, Zachary D/H/F 01:01.8567 104.758 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
(R)
23 32 Binder, Rene (R) D/C/F 01:01.7003 105.024 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
24 15 Rahal, Graham D/H/F 01:04.0990 101.094 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2

(R) Rookie

Pursuant to Rule 8.3.5, Car 15 -- best 2 lap times were disallowed in this session. Pursuant to Rule 8.3.6.1, Car 98 -- best 2
lap times were disallowed in this session. Pursuant to Rule 8.3.5, Car 22 -- best 2 lap times were disallowed in this session.
Pursuant to Rule 8.3.6.1, Car 27 -- best 2 lap times were disallowed in this session.

(C)hassis: D=Dallara | (E)ngine: C=Chevy, H=Honda | (T)ire: F=Firestone

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Fidget can't control himself. There are 24 cars at an Indy race. I have never heard of about 15 of them and only 2 or 3 have a chance at winning.
The BEST racing in Florida this weekend is in Daytona. AMA Supercross. Can't wait to watch them in the Dome in St Louis next weekend.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldfart wrote:
NeverTrustAMidget wrote:
Lots of new blood in series. Three of top four qualifiers are series rookies. Pole winner came from British Touring Cars. BTCC has some dang good racing and they are not afraid to beat and bang in their races. Reminds of how the Continental Tire Series used to be before IMSA screwed it up.

Event: Firestone Grand Prix of St Petersburg Round 1

Track: St Petersburg Street Circuit 1.8 mile(s)

Report: Unofficial Results of Session Verizon IndyCar Series

Session: Qualifications March 10, 2018

Rank Car Driver Name C/E/T Time Speed Session

1 6 Wickens, Robert (R) D/H/F 01:01.6643 105.085 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
2 12 Power, Will D/C/F 01:01.7346 104.965 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
3 4 Leist, Matheus (R) D/C/F 01:01.7631 104.917 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
4 20 King, Jordan (R) D/C/F 01:01.7633 104.917 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
5 30 Sato, Takuma D/H/F 01:01.8821 104.715 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
6 28 Hunter-Reay, Ryan D/H/F 01:02.0385 104.451 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
7 5 Hinchcliffe, James D/H/F 01:00.9986 106.232 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
8 88 Chaves, Gabby D/C/F 01:01.1191 106.023 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
9 9 Dixon, Scott D/H/F 01:01.6527 105.105 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
10 14 Kanaan, Tony D/C/F 01:01.7213 104.988 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
11 22 Pagenaud, Simon D/C/F 01:04.6739 100.195 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
12 27 Rossi, Alexander D/H/F 01:07.0377 96.662 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
13 1 Newgarden, Josef D/C/F 01:00.4320 107.228 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
14 18 Bourdais, Sebastien D/H/F 01:00.9587 106.301 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
15 26 Veach, Zach (R) D/H/F 01:00.4585 107.181 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
16 21 Pigot, Spencer D/C/F 01:00.9668 106.287 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
17 10 Jones, Ed D/H/F 01:00.5009 107.106 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
18 98 Andretti, Marco D/H/F 01:01.3013 105.707 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
19 60 Harvey, Jack (R) D/H/F 01:01.0270 106.183 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
20 59 Chilton, Max D/C/F 01:01.3360 105.648 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
21 23 Kimball, Charlie D/C/F 01:01.1868 105.905 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
22 19 Claman De Melo, Zachary D/H/F 01:01.8567 104.758 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
(R)
23 32 Binder, Rene (R) D/C/F 01:01.7003 105.024 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
24 15 Rahal, Graham D/H/F 01:04.0990 101.094 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2

(R) Rookie

Pursuant to Rule 8.3.5, Car 15 -- best 2 lap times were disallowed in this session. Pursuant to Rule 8.3.6.1, Car 98 -- best 2
lap times were disallowed in this session. Pursuant to Rule 8.3.5, Car 22 -- best 2 lap times were disallowed in this session.
Pursuant to Rule 8.3.6.1, Car 27 -- best 2 lap times were disallowed in this session.

(C)hassis: D=Dallara | (E)ngine: C=Chevy, H=Honda | (T)ire: F=Firestone

Information provided by Indy Racing Information System - Copyright INDYCAR 2018


Fidget can't control himself. There are 24 cars at an Indy race. I have never heard of about 15 of them and only 2 or 3 have a chance at winning.
The BEST racing in Florida this weekend is in Daytona. AMA Supercross. Can't wait to watch them in the Dome in St Louis next weekend.


So good for you to finally admit your ignorance when it comes all but a small handful of series.

What is your obsession that makes your feeble little mind feel a need to make smart asre remarks about something that even you admit that have no knowledge???

Any series which shows a growth is good for the sport.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeverTrustAMidget wrote:
Oldfart wrote:
NeverTrustAMidget wrote:
Lots of new blood in series. Three of top four qualifiers are series rookies. Pole winner came from British Touring Cars. BTCC has some dang good racing and they are not afraid to beat and bang in their races. Reminds of how the Continental Tire Series used to be before IMSA screwed it up.

Event: Firestone Grand Prix of St Petersburg Round 1

Track: St Petersburg Street Circuit 1.8 mile(s)

Report: Unofficial Results of Session Verizon IndyCar Series

Session: Qualifications March 10, 2018

Rank Car Driver Name C/E/T Time Speed Session

1 6 Wickens, Robert (R) D/H/F 01:01.6643 105.085 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
2 12 Power, Will D/C/F 01:01.7346 104.965 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
3 4 Leist, Matheus (R) D/C/F 01:01.7631 104.917 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
4 20 King, Jordan (R) D/C/F 01:01.7633 104.917 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
5 30 Sato, Takuma D/H/F 01:01.8821 104.715 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
6 28 Hunter-Reay, Ryan D/H/F 01:02.0385 104.451 Round 3 / Firestone Fast Six
7 5 Hinchcliffe, James D/H/F 01:00.9986 106.232 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
8 88 Chaves, Gabby D/C/F 01:01.1191 106.023 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
9 9 Dixon, Scott D/H/F 01:01.6527 105.105 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
10 14 Kanaan, Tony D/C/F 01:01.7213 104.988 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
11 22 Pagenaud, Simon D/C/F 01:04.6739 100.195 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
12 27 Rossi, Alexander D/H/F 01:07.0377 96.662 Elimination Round 2 / Top 12
13 1 Newgarden, Josef D/C/F 01:00.4320 107.228 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
14 18 Bourdais, Sebastien D/H/F 01:00.9587 106.301 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
15 26 Veach, Zach (R) D/H/F 01:00.4585 107.181 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
16 21 Pigot, Spencer D/C/F 01:00.9668 106.287 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
17 10 Jones, Ed D/H/F 01:00.5009 107.106 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
18 98 Andretti, Marco D/H/F 01:01.3013 105.707 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
19 60 Harvey, Jack (R) D/H/F 01:01.0270 106.183 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
20 59 Chilton, Max D/C/F 01:01.3360 105.648 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
21 23 Kimball, Charlie D/C/F 01:01.1868 105.905 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
22 19 Claman De Melo, Zachary D/H/F 01:01.8567 104.758 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2
(R)
23 32 Binder, Rene (R) D/C/F 01:01.7003 105.024 Elimination Round 1 / Group 1
24 15 Rahal, Graham D/H/F 01:04.0990 101.094 Elimination Round 1 / Group 2

(R) Rookie

Pursuant to Rule 8.3.5, Car 15 -- best 2 lap times were disallowed in this session. Pursuant to Rule 8.3.6.1, Car 98 -- best 2
lap times were disallowed in this session. Pursuant to Rule 8.3.5, Car 22 -- best 2 lap times were disallowed in this session.
Pursuant to Rule 8.3.6.1, Car 27 -- best 2 lap times were disallowed in this session.

(C)hassis: D=Dallara | (E)ngine: C=Chevy, H=Honda | (T)ire: F=Firestone

Information provided by Indy Racing Information System - Copyright INDYCAR 2018


Fidget can't control himself. There are 24 cars at an Indy race. I have never heard of about 15 of them and only 2 or 3 have a chance at winning.
The BEST racing in Florida this weekend is in Daytona. AMA Supercross. Can't wait to watch them in the Dome in St Louis next weekend.


So good for you to finally admit your ignorance when it comes all but a small handful of series.

What is your obsession that makes your feeble little mind feel a need to make smart asre remarks about something that even you admit that have no knowledge???

Any series which shows a growth is good for the sport.


NOBODY cares about Indy car. Just look at the crowd dressed like empty seats.
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