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tilley88
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| JamieHall wrote: | | tilley88 wrote: | | Did Iran ever sign Obama’s nuclear deal? |
Yes, it was signed in Vienna in July 2015. But it wasn't "Obama's nuclear deal." It was a deal agreed upon by eight world powers after two years of negotiations.
It was signed by Iran, China, France, Russia, the UK, the US, Germany and the European Union.
The US is the only country that has said it will renege on the deal. There had been talk that the other countries might still go forward without us. |
https://www.lawfareblog.com/state-department-affirms-iran-deal-only-political-commitment
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tilley88
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| JamieHall wrote: | | tilley88 wrote: | | Did Iran ever sign Obama’s nuclear deal? |
Yes, it was signed in Vienna in July 2015. But it wasn't "Obama's nuclear deal." It was a deal agreed upon by eight world powers after two years of negotiations.
It was signed by Iran, China, France, Russia, the UK, the US, Germany and the European Union.
The US is the only country that has said it will renege on the deal. There had been talk that the other countries might still go forward without us. |
https://www.lawfareblog.com/state-department-affirms-iran-deal-only-political-commitment
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mudslinger47
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Alas, Jamie wrong again? LOL
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| tilley88 wrote: | | https://www.lawfareblog.com/state-department-affirms-iran-deal-only-political-commitment |
I easily found coverage online that indicated it was a document that was signed. Whatever was signed might have been a nonbinding commitment, but it was implicity stated that a document was signed.
That aside, I'm not sure what your point is about whether Iran "signed" a nuclear deal. It was agreed upon in exchange for sanctioned being lifted, with the clear understanding that Iran's violation of the deal would lead to its revocation.
What does any of that have to do with Trump bending over for Kim Jong-Un? He's still promised to end military training in the Korean peninsula (without informing the Pentagon or South Korea) and to remove US troops from the peninsula and continues to praise Kim as a "great guy" while his own staff says there's a "special place in hell" for our real allies.
Face it, this administration is in over its head and has no clear vision for any type of policy, foreign or domestic. The fact that the Cult 45 clan keeps falling for the sales pitch of a NYC elitist/TV celebrity is fascinating and more than a little sad. |
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mudslinger47
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| JamieHall wrote: | | tilley88 wrote: | | https://www.lawfareblog.com/state-department-affirms-iran-deal-only-political-commitment |
I easily found coverage online that indicated it was a document that was signed. Whatever was signed might have been a nonbinding commitment, but it was implicity stated that a document was signed.
That aside, I'm not sure what your point is about whether Iran "signed" a nuclear deal. It was agreed upon in exchange for sanctioned being lifted, with the clear understanding that Iran's violation of the deal would lead to its revocation.
What does any of that have to do with Trump bending over for Kim Jong-Un? He's still promised to end military training in the Korean peninsula (without informing the Pentagon or South Korea) and to remove US troops from the peninsula and continues to praise Kim as a "great guy" while his own staff says there's a "special place in hell" for our real allies.
Face it, this administration is in over its head and has no clear vision for any type of policy, foreign or domestic. The fact that the Cult 45 clan keeps falling for the sales pitch of a NYC elitist/TV celebrity is fascinating and more than a little sad. |
Point is, there was no deal... deal with that.... and to assure that there was no deal President Trump, a "REAL" leader made sure of it.... if it was a "real" deal, the President couldn't have done it with out congress.... so put that in your pipe and smoke it....
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Is this the Trump foreign policy doctrine in action? Lol. KJU threatens to blow up the US, and then gets a summit with the American President saluting his general. Such a display of "balls".
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JamieHall
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| mudslinger47 wrote: | | if it was a "real" deal, the President couldn't have done it with out congress..... |
So Trump's pushover deal with Kim Jong-Un isn't official until Congress approves it? |
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| PV=nRT wrote: | Is this the Trump foreign policy doctrine in action? Lol. KJU threatens to blow up the US, and then gets a summit with the American President saluting his general. Such a display of "balls".
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Who saluted first?
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| PV=nRT wrote: | Is this the Trump foreign policy doctrine in action? Lol. KJU threatens to blow up the US, and then gets a summit with the American President saluting his general. Such a display of "balls".
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Who saluted first?
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| tilley88 wrote: | | PV=nRT wrote: | Is this the Trump foreign policy doctrine in action? Lol. KJU threatens to blow up the US, and then gets a summit with the American President saluting his general. Such a display of "balls".
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Who saluted first? |
You must be struggling here if the best you can do is come up with another irrelevant deflection. It must jsfa to constantly have your president make you look like an idiot. |
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| tilley88 wrote: | | Who saluted first? |
Doesn't matter. There is no rule that a US president is obliged to return a salute, which is considered a sign of mutual respect.
Trump himself made the decision, on behalf of America and every American veteran and war hero, to pay respect to the military of a hostile dictatorship that just months ago threatened destruction of you, your family and the United States. |
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mudslinger47
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| JamieHall wrote: | | tilley88 wrote: | | Who saluted first? |
Doesn't matter. There is no rule that a US president is obliged to return a salute, which is considered a sign of mutual respect.
Trump himself made the decision, on behalf of America and every American veteran and war hero, to pay respect to the military of a hostile dictatorship that just months ago threatened destruction of you, your family and the United States. |
Makes sense to me... you get respect from those you give respect... besides, he'd already handed KJU his ass by the time of the summit anyway, why not be nice....
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| mudslinger47 wrote: | | JamieHall wrote: | | tilley88 wrote: | | Who saluted first? |
Doesn't matter. There is no rule that a US president is obliged to return a salute, which is considered a sign of mutual respect.
Trump himself made the decision, on behalf of America and every American veteran and war hero, to pay respect to the military of a hostile dictatorship that just months ago threatened destruction of you, your family and the United States. |
Makes sense to me... you get respect from those you give respect... besides, he'd already handed KJU his ass by the time of the summit anyway, why not be nice.... |
Why is the POTUS giving respect to a general from NK? |
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tilley88
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| PV=nRT wrote: | | mudslinger47 wrote: | | JamieHall wrote: | | tilley88 wrote: | | Who saluted first? |
Doesn't matter. There is no rule that a US president is obliged to return a salute, which is considered a sign of mutual respect.
Trump himself made the decision, on behalf of America and every American veteran and war hero, to pay respect to the military of a hostile dictatorship that just months ago threatened destruction of you, your family and the United States. |
Makes sense to me... you get respect from those you give respect... besides, he'd already handed KJU his ass by the time of the summit anyway, why not be nice.... |
Why is the POTUS giving respect to a general from NK? |
Nice deflection above on your part. The NK General saluted Trump 1st, so he returned it. Trump offered a handshake first. It must make you puke thinking about how your former supreme leader bowed to every little dictator he met. What a fukking toe licker he was......
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| tilley88 wrote: | | PV=nRT wrote: | | mudslinger47 wrote: | | JamieHall wrote: | | tilley88 wrote: | | Who saluted first? |
Doesn't matter. There is no rule that a US president is obliged to return a salute, which is considered a sign of mutual respect.
Trump himself made the decision, on behalf of America and every American veteran and war hero, to pay respect to the military of a hostile dictatorship that just months ago threatened destruction of you, your family and the United States. |
Makes sense to me... you get respect from those you give respect... besides, he'd already handed KJU his ass by the time of the summit anyway, why not be nice.... |
Why is the POTUS giving respect to a general from NK? |
Nice deflection above on your part. The NK General saluted Trump 1st, so he returned it. Trump offered a handshake first. It must make you puke thinking about how your former supreme leader bowed to every little dictator he met. What a fukking toe licker he was...... |
I'm not the one who feigned outrage over Obama. You guys did. Now you have our POTUS saluting the uniform of an outfit that very recently murdered an American citizen, and you're too chickensh!t to call this POTUS like you did the last one. You guys are a bunch of broken cucks. Too funny. |
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