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NeverTrustAMidget



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:35 pm    Post subject: Another Trump success Reply with quote

Rev Sharpton is claiming that his tax dollars are being used to promote Confederate memorials.

So Trump has succeeded where others have not and has gotten Sharpton to pay his taxes.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I side with the Rev. Sharpton. I don't wand a red cent of my tax dollars spent in any efforts or monuments dedicated to any presentation or promulgation of the treasonous confederacy or any of it's actors. The American civil war is only another piece of American history that would better be eliminated from any duties whatsoever of the American taxpayers to endure.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I side with the Rev. Sharpton. I don't wand a red cent of my tax dollars spent in any efforts or monuments dedicated to any presentation or promulgation of the treasonous confederacy or any of it's actors. The American civil war is only another piece of American history that would better be eliminated from any duties whatsoever of the American taxpayers to endure.


So, you're ok with doing away with or revising history?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tilley88 wrote:
So, you're ok with doing away with or revising history?


Speaking for myself, I don't see this as "revising history." History is what it is and will always be that way.

Removing statues of men who committed treason against the United States and its Constitution is not "revising history." There's no need to celebrate people who revolted against their own free and peaceful nation by building statues for them.

People like Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and others were not heroes. They were traitors. They wanted to destroy America and reshape it in their own vision.

I hope as a nation we've advanced enough since the 1800s that we can do simple things to try and right a few wrongs. If taking Confederate statues off public property helps achieve that, so be it. What we thought was correct and right in the 1800s is not necessarily what's right today.

It's also worth pointing out that here in Nashville, a property owner has a statue right off I-65 that serves as a Confederate statue. The government can't do a thing to remove it, because it's his right. If individuals want to celebrate those men with statues on their own property, they still have that freedom to do so.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamieHall wrote:
tilley88 wrote:
So, you're ok with doing away with or revising history?


Speaking for myself, I don't see this as "revising history." History is what it is and will always be that way.

Removing statues of men who committed treason against the United States and its Constitution is not "revising history." There's no need to celebrate people who revolted against their own free and peaceful nation by building statues for them.

People like Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and others were not heroes. They were traitors. They wanted to destroy America and reshape it in their own vision.

I hope as a nation we've advanced enough since the 1800s that we can do simple things to try and right a few wrongs. If taking Confederate statues off public property helps achieve that, so be it. What we thought was correct and right in the 1800s is not necessarily what's right today.

It's also worth pointing out that here in Nashville, a property owner has a statue right off I-65 that serves as a Confederate statue. The government can't do a thing to remove it, because it's his right. If individuals want to celebrate those men with statues on their own property, they still have that freedom to do so.


How is removing things that are part of American history not revising it? If you remove every reference to the confederacy in out text books, is that not revisionism?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamieHall wrote:
tilley88 wrote:
So, you're ok with doing away with or revising history?


Speaking for myself, I don't see this as "revising history." History is what it is and will always be that way.

Removing statues of men who committed treason against the United States and its Constitution is not "revising history." There's no need to celebrate people who revolted against their own free and peaceful nation by building statues for them.

People like Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and others were not heroes. They were traitors. They wanted to destroy America and reshape it in their own vision.

I hope as a nation we've advanced enough since the 1800s that we can do simple things to try and right a few wrongs. If taking Confederate statues off public property helps achieve that, so be it. What we thought was correct and right in the 1800s is not necessarily what's right today.

It's also worth pointing out that here in Nashville, a property owner has a statue right off I-65 that serves as a Confederate statue. The government can't do a thing to remove it, because it's his right. If individuals want to celebrate those men with statues on their own property, they still have that freedom to do so.


Do we also remove the statues of great American patriots who were also slave owners? Do we rewrite history every time somebody gets offended?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamieHall wrote:
tilley88 wrote:
So, you're ok with doing away with or revising history?


Speaking for myself, I don't see this as "revising history." History is what it is and will always be that way.

Removing statues of men who committed treason against the United States and its Constitution is not "revising history." There's no need to celebrate people who revolted against their own free and peaceful nation by building statues for them.

People like Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and others were not heroes. They were traitors. They wanted to destroy America and reshape it in their own vision.

I hope as a nation we've advanced enough since the 1800s that we can do simple things to try and right a few wrongs. If taking Confederate statues off public property helps achieve that, so be it. What we thought was correct and right in the 1800s is not necessarily what's right today.

It's also worth pointing out that here in Nashville, a property owner has a statue right off I-65 that serves as a Confederate statue. The government can't do a thing to remove it, because it's his right. If individuals want to celebrate those men with statues on their own property, they still have that freedom to do so.


Do you believe the U.S. constitution is now null and void because some of our founders were slave owners? Or do you believe it to be outdated in today's world? You know, progress and all that.......
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tilley88 wrote:
How is removing things that are part of American history not revising it? If you remove every reference to the confederacy in out text books, is that not revisionism?


Do you know about Hitler? And Saddam Hussein? For that matter, do you know about Satan?

None of those are recognized with statues. Has the lack of statues affected your ability to know their history?

As for text books, I'm not aware of any efforts to remove information about the Civil War from text books. If that does happen, I'd absolutely be against it.
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JamieHall wrote:
tilley88 wrote:
How is removing things that are part of American history not revising it? If you remove every reference to the confederacy in out text books, is that not revisionism?


Do you know about Hitler? And Saddam Hussein? For that matter, do you know about Satan?

None of those are recognized with statues. Has the lack of statues affected your ability to know their history?

As for text books, I'm not aware of any efforts to remove information about the Civil War from text books. If that does happen, I'd absolutely be against it.


Why do YOU believe these statues should go?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tilley88 wrote:
JamieHall wrote:
tilley88 wrote:
How is removing things that are part of American history not revising it? If you remove every reference to the confederacy in out text books, is that not revisionism?


Do you know about Hitler? And Saddam Hussein? For that matter, do you know about Satan?

None of those are recognized with statues. Has the lack of statues affected your ability to know their history?

As for text books, I'm not aware of any efforts to remove information about the Civil War from text books. If that does happen, I'd absolutely be against it.


Why do YOU believe these statues should go?


No other country tears down war memorials having to do with their civil wars. The only one to remove a memorial is Spain and that was done because eh memorial was put up illegally and violated building codes.
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